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Sunday, December 06, 2009

CBT CAT 09 - Evaluation and Ranking

Update: I got a re-assuring reply from Professor Pankaj Chandra, Director IIM B, saying - "Sorry for the inconvenience caused to you. We will address the issues that you have raised in your email." Thank you Sir, it means the world to me for you taking out time to reply to my email. Hope everything is sorted out and resolved pretty soon so that everyone gets a fair chance to start their MBA from the IIMs !!

Also check out this TOI article.
End of Update

Following is the email which I've written to the directors of the prestigious IIMs regarding information for evaluation and ranking of scores obtained by students in the CBT CAT 09. Decided to post it in the blog sphere as well so as to know if there are others who share a similar concern.

Disclaimer : I'm not whining against CBT CAT 09 nor asking for a re-test / paper based test to be conducted again. Also those who have scored awesomely in this years CAT might be against the views expressed in this post and will definitely tell me to "adapt" to the changes and that this is the system and that we have to live with it. Okay, thanks in advance. And congrats to all of you for cracking CAT. Please spare me the lecture.


Respected Sir(s)

I, the undersigned, aspire to start my management studies in one of the prestigious IIMs from next year. I have appeared for CAT 09 on 5th Dec from Hyderabad and I have no complaints with respect to the actual test conduction process on a personal level since everything went smooth for me. There were no technical glitches or inconvenience of any type. I guess the situation has been improved drastically from what it was at the onset and I thank the quick measures taken for the same.

However, keeping asides all the other issues we have seen bogging CBT CAT 09 so far, I always thought that the greatest challenge of this year's exam was to arrive at 20 papers with questions having more or less similar difficulty level. This is based on the presumption that, the evaluation of candidates is going to remain constant as earlier years - i.e. - the "percentile" marking / grading system - where you rank students based on the "score" they obtain.

However, me and a very large number of students who have appeared for CAT 09 feel otherwise (that the difficulty level was different and waving in different slots) due to the following reasons:

1) Students who gave CAT in the earlier two days, though had to under go the trauma of delayed server responses and virus attacks, have reported that the level of questions was very easy and most of them managed to score 50+ out of 60 which was so unlike a CAT exam. Unless, it was intended that the CAT exam be brought down to a lower level, I feel this has really dented the image of CAT as an exam where scoring 50% of the total marks was considered as a daunting task earlier.

2) Students who gave CAT in the middle days reported that the questions were getting repeated from the earlier slots and also were being taken "as_it_is" from previous years CAT papers. This, I feel, was a big blow to those who took the tests earlier because they would never even have got wind of some of the difficult questions since they were actually attempting it for the first time. It might be unnecessary to point it out Sir, but even 3-4 questions solved in a minute just because of "prior knowledge" ensure that you make a quantum leap by saving time and dedicating it to other ques. Is this fair to all others who instead got unique questions ?

3) After the break out of all the above issues along with numerous others, it seems that the CAT has been brought back to being CAT on the last few days. Suddenly, the level of difficulty of questions in some sections has been steeped up making it really difficult to cross even the 45 mark !! I will admit, I might not be the brightest of the CAT aspirants, but then I am definitely not among the dumbest. Now we are seeing almost a no-show of repeat questions and no previous CAT questions. This is good from an exam point of view, but how do you justify the same happening for some students earlier, which clearly gives them advantage over others. As you know, a difference of a couple of questions make it a big deal of difference due to the current "percentile" based marking / grading.

The issue which I want to address through this letter is that how are we going to grade students appearing for CAT 09 based on questions with varying difficulty level ? Is it really fair to compare someone who got 50 correct in a easy paper (By easy I mean and include any / all of the following : easier questions lifted from database, questions repeated from earlier slots, questions taken from earlier slots, questions passed on by friends / teachers / forums etc) to someone who got 40 correct in a paper which did not have the above mentioned features ? Unless of course, there is going to be some sort of normalization based on the difficulty level, some sort of relative grading, I believe many are going to suffer from gross injustice and would only be left to regret at not being offered a fair shot at the IIMs.

From IIMs stand point I have heard that the argument being offered is that such things happen with other exams like GMAT as well and no body complains there. However, I would like to point out some key differences between the two, which I know you are definitely aware of :

- GMAT can definitely be taken more than once in a year in a testing window which is very large as compared to that of CAT 09. The point being, one can improve upon his / her score if he / she feels she got a bad deal. CAT 09, on the other hand can be given only once, and you just have to live with it and give it next year only.

- While GMAT also sometime may show up with repeat questions and different difficulty level questions, we can't forget its a "Computer Adaptive Test" - where the difficulty level depends on how many questions you answer correctly. The database is repeatedly updated to avoid repetitions. Even the scoring algorithm makes sure you can't skip to the next question until you answer the current one. Most importantly, the "result" is generated at the end of the test itself.

In the case of CAT which is a "Computer Based Test" - and most importantly - where the results are based on "%tile" and not "%tage", it really boils down to how many students you outscore / outperform. In such an evaluation scenario, how is it justified to have some students face a difficult paper and some an easy one (the demarcation of the above being done in Point 3) and on top of it, its just unbelievable to imagine that our futures will now be controlled via a random algorithm which is modified "midway" between the exam after glitches being pointed out by earlier CAT takers !!

I believe that there are many things which have gone the undesired way in CBT CAT 09. But the most serious issue according to me which needs to be addressed is how the "ranking" of students is now going to be done? Do we just have to live with the earlier ranking scheme based on %tiles and cut offs which will be same for everyone or are the IIMs going to take pain to make a definitive analysis of the different slots and come out with something which is just for all ?

By the way let me just repeat, I am not asking for a re-test / paper based test as some might perceive but I'm only asking for the right to know how will the grading and ranking be done and would it be fair to everyone given the above things which have hampered this year's CAT.

I don't know if this letter will even be "opened / read / thought upon" by the busy IIM directors since you must be receiving thousands of such emails / letters by now and one more student crying out aloud will just be like a drop in an ocean. They might even consider me treating CAT as sour grapes. But at least I will be in peace thinking that I did raise my voice / concern when I had the time and means and would avoid the regret in case I don't complete my MBA from an IIM.

I sincerely hope that I would get a fitting reply from some of the authorities responsible for CAT 09.

Thanks,
Suyash Joshi

Please feel free to comment and provide your feedback about the above "rant" by clicking here. Also read the disclaimer at the top of the post before posting your opinion on me / any views in the post.

42 comments:

Nachiket said...

I agree. I had exam on 2nd day. I ws really mystified when I completed my paper as it had only 60 question and I didnt really feel if 2:15 Hrs were needd to solve it.As I had not prepared mych for the exam , I didnt know if the questions are from earlier cats or wt, but definitely the difficulty level of CAT has gone down I thought .when I pondered over it , I thought might be since this is first-time online test or may be they wnt to degrade the level just to check the coaching Institutes(Like how JEE has got much easier now). However this post makes me rethink about it and I am really surprised as to why IIMs couldnt manage this exam well and messed it all up.

Rahul Kadwe said...

I definitely agree with all the points made here, but we have to realize that this is the very first online CAT. Some mistakes are bound to be made and I believe IIM board will take steps to prevent such issues in future CATS. They have already shown that they are willing to learn from the mistakes (1st day crash) and that's a good thing. As for your particular concern of fluctuating difficulty, IIM has not declared any evaluation criteria yet. So hold on tight..

Suyash Joshi said...

@ Kadwe:

If the IIMs indeed have a different evaluation criteria this year, it would be a welcome step from one and all. Heck, that's what the aim of this post is !!

Shantanu said...

I agree completely. There is nothing which can substitute the paper pencil CAT where the entire country gave the exact same paper at the same time. It was fair. This is a poor poor imitation and I am worried about the kind of juniors I am going to get. The one thing IIMs can be most proud of is a super selection filter which sucks in only the best. Even that, they have screwed up. As far as the 'advantages' of going online goes, the window is small, its not adaptive, and you dont get your score immediately. I dont see any point. And if someone feels these few batches can be experimental while the online CAT perfects itself, well the IIMs will lose all the advantage they have had all these years. Some serious thinking is required. My take is, take a re-test. And dont fiddle with it.

Paras Bhatia said...

Will be appearing for the test tomorrow and don't know what to expect. So won't be expecting anything(as they say, expectations are harmful anyways!!)... Hope they do cosider different diffculty level of all papers and take everything into consideration.
Cheers....

Suyash Joshi said...

@ Shantanu:

My point exactly. The fact that the test scores are not being revealed immediately after completion of online test implies following things :

- not having confidence in their own marking scheme (tell me one exam in the world, which reveals marking scheme after the exam is completed, bloody crap this is...)

- their own expectation of questions might be repeated !!

Those who want the test to be re-scheduled / re-conducted, please check this -
http://www.petitionvoice.in/cancellation-of-online-combined-aptitude-test-petition.html

Anant said...

Totally agree with all the points that suyash has highlighted in the blog. Its not about the difficulty of the paper but the consistency of the level of difficulty which i believe has been varying with every slot. Moreover the repetition of questions is totally uncalled for. Transition from paper-pencil to CBT should not be done at the cost of the reputation of CAT.

Happybirdie said...

Hey hi!I read the complete article and I would like to share one thing..The night I had to leave for CAT ,I got an sms from a coaching institute that if u want past few daz CAT questions then plz send us you mail id..I was shocked.I had toiled for this exam and now even those people who had not studied could come at par with me.So I genuinely feel that those students who took the exam earlier should be given an advantage over those who took it later.
You may agree or disagree.

Suyash Joshi said...

@ happybirdie

what you're reporting here is just a serious extension of the joke called "Non Disclosure Agreement" charted by IIMs / Prometric.

Its not a news that questions asked in earlier slots are being passed to the students who are giving it later. This is being done by friends / relatives / CAT coaching institutes alike. Commenting on this blog about the sham might not be the best thing.

Report the sms to the correct authorities and they might do whatever seems fit to be done. This is under assumption that you have not deleted the sms.

Coming to your other point:

do you seriously believe another mistake (making papers difficult for those who give it later) needs to be done to compensate for an earlier mistake (questions being disclosed to those who are giving it later) ?

Is this what we are reduced to ? Tit - for - Tat ?

No offense meant, but I'm not sure whether to cry or laugh on your thoughts !!

Dhawal said...

I just got done with my test (6th December) and i agree with Suyash. My CAT paper was pretty tough and not at all like people have been describing it in the past few days...
The RC in my verbal section was very tough (tougher than the AIMCATs) and ate up my time alloted for DI.
Overall, a very disappointing experience!!

sweety said...

I totally agree with your post. I gave the CAT on the 6th day of the testing window and I could not attempt more than 40 questions. And though I can't comment on whether there were questions repeated from the past CAT papers(having not gone through all of them), what I felt was that atleast in my slot the test was of a very sub-standard level. There were QA questions which I could solve just by reading it(no calculation, no reasoning whatsoever), and then there were DI caselets which were so vague I could hardly ascertain an approach to solve them, and Data Sufficiency questions all of which seemed to be of the 'Cannot be determined' variety. I've given CAT twice before and having scored a not-too-bad 97%le both times, I too can say(like you!) that while I might not be the brightest of the students, I'm definitely not one of the dumbest! 'Unfortunately' for me, I didn't have a lot of friends giving the CAT(atleast in the slots before mine) and I didn't bother to go through the past CAT papers inspite of all what's being said. And now all I can do is just wait and wonder about what the IIMs are going to do to grade us all fairly(How, how?!). And somehow I don't have much hope in that either...

Ash said...

Dudes and Dudettes...

First of all I hope every one has read the reasons for CAT going online.... if not here are some..

Since CAT is so intrinsic to IIMs there is no way they can outsource the test fully to any outside agent. And IIMs have only professors as a resource to conduct this test. If the professors have to spend one whole month for conducting a test for 250,000 people, then you will have to redefine their job and the salary they get as the intellectual level for this job would be an insult to them.

Since they had to go for something better, online system with Prometric is the best option available. Prometric also has no experience in dealing with 250000 test takers in one country in 10 days... Its a learning curve. All these thing are taken keeping in mind the long term strategy. For IIMs to go global online is the way forward. I m sure you all find a lot of other reasons if you search it up.

Next there are hell a lot of problems with the online this year but since it is the first it was expected I guess.

There have been a lot of problems and IIMs themselves are feeling sorry for them.. but let me open an another thing.... I know of many people who themselves have taken advantage of the system and started restarting servers... After the first two days.. Prometric was told restart systems for individuals who were facing problems... so if anyone is questioning IIMs I think we should question our student community first....

and as for grading and evaluation... yaar yaha statistics ke baap log baithe hain... uska tension mat lo... I can tell u from my own experience so far (you all will know when you come here this time :)) IIM A is alwyas at the forefront for equal opportunity and equal grading... even when there are different proffs teaching different sections... they take care of it.. so pls dont worry about this...

and yaar juniors sab ka tension chodo... why are the interviews there???

and remember everyone is concerned about what is happening... Some things which can be helped they ll do everythng to sort it out..

but some random errors which will happen... will still happen..

with that I wish everyone all the very best.. the ones who are goin to give the next two days.. all the very best.. and for the ones who have given.. best of luck for results and ur interviews...

over and out..

Suyash Joshi said...

@ Sweety : you seem to be in the same boat as me !!

@ Ash : As I mentioned earlier, I'm not against the CAT going online or against all the numerous technical (prometric) and functional (IIMs) and moral(students passing questions) and ethical (students rebooting their PCs during tests to gain more time !!) glitches we've seen so far...

What has happened has happened. Apparently the IIMs are adamant to continue with the mess they have created so far. Accepting mistakes and feeling sorry is one thing and actually rectifying them is another, which is not seen yet.

What we need is some sort of re-assurance that the %tile will be calculated on a normalized / standardized way considering all the slots differently. These were not just random errors. FYI, to quote you, "the statistics ke baap at IIM A or any other IIM have not yet come up with a marking scheme for the exam, which is simply absurd and inexcusable" And thats why the frustration and the anguish. Hope you understand.

Ash said...

i think u r contradicting urself... wat do u mean by continuing the mess?? i thought u have already accepted that...

and FYI till now they have normalised everythng.. all percentages and all.... in this case normalisation of questions or marks both are the same.....

and wateva be the marking scheme... half would always be frustrated and anguished...

thats why... wats happened has happened... next yr the system would be better and better...

thats wat happens in every organisation....

and moreover if u have accepted about so many things.. then there is no point worryn about the grading scheme and all... this should be the last thing on the mind...

deadphoenix said...

Even i took my paper on 5th morning and found paper especially VA on a tougher side.

The biggest thing about a cat exam is the surprise. You never know even 5 mins before what's in store this year.

For me and for thousands others CAT this year lost it's credibility.

Suyash Joshi said...

@ Ash:

There's no point in denying that it's a mess alright. And we are ready to accept what has happened till now. But at least care needs to be taken that what has not happened (grading / marking) needs to be done with meticulous care and perfection. How IIMs get the results now is something really everyone is looking out for and hence the call to the directors. Cant we expect good from something that can be changed still ?

I can't believe you are comparing CATs transition from PBT to CBT with that of an organization. This is playing with the futures of god knows how many MBA aspirants !!

FYI, no one was frustrated and anguished with the marking scheme till last year for some particular reason which seems to be escaping you !!

It would be better for someone from the authorities to comment on such matters instead of IIM alumnus patronizing the system and the undergoing change... If you really want to help, then think from the prospective aspirants' view point for a change.

Ash said...

dude.... careers future... everythng is done by the organisation as well... its a sad day if people do not think that the organisation they go to do not shape their careers....

and as for marks and grades and people feeling things on the tougher side... every person finds some sections simpler and tougher... just basing it on the perceptions is a very wrong thing to do.....

P.S. i am still not an aluminus :) and it is no statement i m making but merely a viewpoint..

and i was an aspirant as well and I know of many aspirants this time who have got wronged by the system...

its just that there is no point in finding wrong in everythng...

sweety said...

@Ash,
Dude, I don't know whether you have or haven't given CAT. If you have, you've either done really well(I'll be frank, if I'd got an easy CAT paper, attempted 58+ ques, blah blah, maybe I'd also say the CBT should continue, how what's "happened has happened" etc... Call me a hypocrite or whatever!). And if you haven't given CAT this year, then you really don't have a reason to comment here! I can't believe you're even suggesting we stop taking tension about the grading and normalization of marks... From the way things are going, it doesn't seem anything has been thought about seriously. There have been glitches(real bad ones at that) right from the registration to the execution of CAT, do you think they're going to do an awesome job at the results phase? There is no room for "random errors", it is a question of someone's career here. And if you've ever been in those shoes you'll know what I'm talking about.

TRUE CATTER said...

right man.. CBT CAT sucks...The most significant reason is that when diff ppl r attempting diff papers, how can the system be fair to students..

CBT CAT 2009 SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Ash said...

no one disagrees about the complications this time..... thats wat i have been saying.... u can tell bout all the thngs.. servers.. prometric... people copying people talking etc etc etc... I would love it if this time there is a paper and pencil test again.... my frnds would benefit a lot.....

and i am not even commenting on the stress levels this time.... and i do know how it is for a person giving today and the next two days (Paras) who knows that people have attempted 56 to 59 questions.....

my only contention is that why open a new pandora box....

and agar tension lena hi hai then no one can stop u.... (though I wouldn advise u)

and if u think only IIM matters to ur career.. then i dont know wat to say... (there are a lot of other things as well.... i would say the current job as well)

and finally lets wait for the grading system to be out... i think they have to do it as per RTI....

Ash said...

diff people attempting diff papers happens all over the world... GMAT GRE...

there every person has a diff paper....

the next contention can be that people goin to coaching clases would have unfair advantage... (just playin a devils advocate)

Ash said...

btw... due to some suggestion... i have to tell this...

I am studyin in IIM A... PGP 2...

start murdering :)

Ash said...

but full respect to the sentiments of everyone... I had the same when reading the headlines every day....

Shantanu said...

The CBT is an insult. Ash, I am sure as an IIM A student, you agree tha the most valuable asset IIM A has is the students. Can you accept a batch of students coming into IIM A next year who were lucky to give the test in a particular slot?
As an IIM Lucknow PGP1 student, I find that totally unacceptable. When I saw the mess created, my first worry was how would we get 8 good guys in Manfest Core Committee next year. Its a serious issue. You cannot screw an elite selection filter just to become like GMAT or GRE. They have fewer people and can afford profile based year long selection. We can't. Accept it.

sweety said...

@Ash,
You say you study in IIM-A and then you say something like this "if u think only IIM matters to ur career.. then i dont know wat to say"? FYI I'm dearly looking for a career shift and I think if one wants to study in an IIM and is intelligent and deserving enough, then there's nothing wrong in striving for it! Unfortunately the CBT CAT this year with its glitches and problems has shocked and troubled many aspirants and deserving candidates. Trust me, you'd have to give this year's CAT to know what I mean. The ambiguity in grading makes it even worse and that's exactly the issue we're talking about here...

jayant bahel said...

arre bhai log..kyu tension le rahe ho? 1400 rs diye hai na test dene k liye? de dia na test?
CHILL
baki IIMs sambhal lenge..they are no kids..they comprise of some of the best brains not just in the country but in the world as well...

Shantanu said...

Best brains? Hahaha.. I sit in an IIM classroom every day and that seems like a joke :) In either case, test dia nai theek se isiliye to chill nahi hai.
But if you are chill about everything in life, fir to kya hi bol sakte ho.

Unknown said...

I appeared for my CAT on 6th December. All my friends who appeared for the test during the earlier days found quant “very” easy, with a lot of sitters. I, on the other hand did not find any “sitter”. Rather quant is said to be relatively tough even by other students who appeared in the same slot as mine. It seems like due to the complaints of students of quant questions being repeated, the level of difficulty of different sections has been increased. This is grossly unfair. This issue of varying degree of toughness for various sections on various slots also needs to be addressed. One way is to compute a different percentile for different time slots.

The software also auto-signed out twice for the whole center during my test. I was solving a DI set and I had marked one answer (out of the two), and when the test started again, i did the second question and moved on. It was towards the end of the test that I realized that the 1st question, which I had already marked, was not marked and I had to sift through my rough work to find the solution for that question on my rough sheets. Had I not noticed this error, I would have missed one question, which is a lot considering the kind of competition. Now this is for me, it could have been more than 1 question for someone else and I luckily detected the error, someone else might have overlooked considering the time pressure. All these issues need to be addressed.

Unknown said...

Being much older and sadly much wiser in the ways of the world, compared to you youngsters, i have no doubt that IIMs will get away with this and more - with the cool connivance of the HRD ministry. When human lives are cheap and I mean actual lives, how does it matter that a very large number of intelligent, highly deserving set of students were relegated to tier 3 institutes or quit pursuing MBA altoghter - to take to politics may be - if they are smart. One can only feel deeply sorry for the complete degradation of all ethics, morality and most important, accountability of the so called "premier" institues and the total "washing of hands " of world renowned on-line exam conducting agency.

harsh said...
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Hunny said...

Lara - Bull's eye!!!
I also gave my exam on 6th dec and my QA paper was really tough (at least for me). But the most shocking thing i heard from one guy after paper was that, he knew at least 10-12 questions of QA. He got this questions from " Talk Chalks" program carried out by Prometric just before exams.

If Prometric wants us not to disclose the paper, then what were they doing by this program.


Though i am really disappointed with my performance but mostly by IIM's.

Unknown said...

Great article suyash
I fully agree wd u.
If they go wd past marking scheme this will ruin future thousands of aspirants.As some of them have taken a drop for it.
And thanks for conveying our concerns to the authorities
Thanks a lot
Mine was on 7th Dec and I found it not that easy as people were saying for the intial slots.
Really having goosebumps on thinking of evaluation of papers wd varying difficulty level

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

i will put my points in two parts. One regarding varying difficulty level and next credibility of cat. Many people doubt both.

Varying level of difficulty obviously seems unfair on those who got difficult questions, but i must assure u that marking scheme is bound to be uniform, irrespective of which level questions u got. And as far as quality of next batch is concerned, IIMs will be least bothered about that cuz if papers were really that easy for some, then its just like class X exams where only those would go to elite schools who have done all the questions. that also sometimes was a game of luck as there also they have some 10 sets with some questions unique in each set(and many found their unique problems the most difficult ones). not fair atleast.

As far as CAT credibility is concerned, in past, CAT paper was leaked out(IIMs accepted one.. dunno how many actually occured), many times there have been claims of wrong questions or more than one valid options or no valid option at all. Some were approved by IIMs. In those cases, as people say, everyone got full or zero for those questions. I dont think that as well was fair on those who wasted their times on those questions.

So i feel is cat is more about ur luck on that day ... if u were lucky great, else better luck next time .. iff u are dead bent to crack into one of the IIMs.

P.S: I am writing this just to tell that most likely they will continue with the mess and preplanned schemes(read marking scheme), even if it means more mess. I personally am disappointed with IIMs' performance in cat 2009... they cant manage a test for 2.5lac people over 10 day(not more than 15k at a time)... how can u expect them to teach u how to manage lacs and lacs of people 24X7 simultaneously

Suyash Joshi said...

@ Hunny,

What you are telling is simply the most unbelievably horrible thing to do, if Prometric or any associated organization did it. I dont know how all this can be brought to the attention of the "revered" IIMs.

@ Eric,

Thanks, but it seems the plea is falling on deaf ears, because up till now the IIMs have not really given a damn to the whole situation. The only thing coming out from them is "re-scheduling" to another slot.

@ Anonymous,

If it's all finally dependent on luck, as in if your selection is now going to be influenced by the particular slot in which you appear for CAT, why didn't they just ask to play a game of dice and be done with it? Why this farce under the name of testing everyone on supposedly equal level playing field ?

I am simply unable to understand why the IIMs are not coming out with a formal, official announcement to resolve all these issues, once and for all.

So many petitions, so many blogs, so many comments and yet zero replies from the IIMs. ( one reply yes, if you consider "We're sorry", as a valid reply )

Ramanuj Vidyanta said...

Anyone who thought that there would be no problems with the CBT-CAT while buying the voucher please raise your hand.

Now those of you who have raised their hands, go in front of the mirror and call yourself a stupid.

And those who haven't stop being over critical and finding mistakes with everything.

Reading comments of the students sounds as if the aspirants have excelled in everything in their very 1st attempt. I don know why you give CAT twice when you believe that everything should go right in the first attempt.

After reading the comments in the last few days I have started feeling that people consider the CAT to be greater than life in terms of fairness. It's really stupid to think so, "CAT is as fair as life is".

I believe we should let IIMA worry about the marking scheme, whatever the marking scheme would be , I am sure it would be fair.

Many people have written that the Profs in IIM A were not good enough to manage the exams. I have one question for them ...

"If you have so much apprehension about the credibility of IIM A then why are you appearing for CAT? Since the best CAT can give u is take u to IIM A".

Finally: Tell yourself that the IIMs have PROPRIETARY ownership of the CAT, so if you don trust the IIMs, there is another option for you i.e. "Don't sit for the exam".

Anonymous said...

@suyash
thats very true ... but game of dice may bring in some of those who really dont deserver being there.

@ramanuj
i am not telling that varying difficulty level is bad as that is as fair as life...that was a good quote ;)
All i am saying is that those who really aspire to be there, work hard..appear for mock tests..do as much as possible to prepare them for surprises. All IIMs, or prometrics for that matter, had to do was to let people have a trial run to test all that might have happened. Had initial run been smooth there would have been less of this farce... when one demerit is found in something people look around for more to strengthen their point.
And obviously IIM has all rights to do whatever it wishes to do with cat and those who feel its unfair can save themselves some 1.5grands.

Anonymous said...

@ramanuj
It seems i have hurt u... sorry for that .. but i was just trying to convince students that its not worth crying foul even if it is.. as u meant life is never fair ... how long is it justified to cry ... move on

Ramanuj Vidyanta said...

There is nothing to get hurt, all I want to say is that people should not over react, the discussion these days has become equivalent to "desperate journalism" which is wrong.

Everybody is trying to find faults with the CAT, everyone is talking about the 10K odd people whose exams were rescheduled but no one is talking about the people who had a fair experience.

Talking about disturbances, I am sure in the past all of us have given exams at centres which had various disturbances e.g. construction work nearby, fan being slow, direct sunlight on the seat etc. but we never ask for re-examination citing these issues then why r we shouting now??


Lets have some faith on the institutions for which we are fighting. Since if anyone believe IIMs cannot conduct the CAT then why appear for that exam? No one is forcing such people to appear for the CAT.

Suyash Joshi said...

I got a re-assuring reply from Professor Pankaj Chandra, Director IIM B, saying - "Sorry for the inconvenience caused to you. We will address the issues that you have raised in your email." Thank you Sir, it means the world to me for you taking out time to reply to my email. Hope everything is sorted out and resolved pretty soon so that everyone gets a fair chance to start their MBA from the IIMs !!

Also check out this TOI article - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IIMs-mull-over-holding-another-CAT-in-paper-pencil-format/articleshow/5317004.cms

Anonymous said...

@suyash,
Hey great man!! its really great that they responded POSITIVELY, but the article regarding paper based test is a bit disheartening. My opinion is thats where future is.
Best of luck to all of u in case of re-exam or otherwise.

NK said...

Guys/Gals

The CAT exams ws initially too keenly followed up and the problems of the ppl nt able to tk test initially were highlighted
But,a few of my frnds who gave on 29th nov said da experience ws nt what ws expected of xam wid constant disturbance nd noise creation along with prometric guys disturbing u to solve prob in neighbor's system
My xam went fine wid avg attempts but xam left a lot more to be desired

Unknown said...

I Had taken the exam on the Last Day and i too felt that Quant were not that easy as reviews and views of others. I felt not just me others who gave in the same slot felt quant a bit difficult and said 10 would be the possible attempts by a good students. But On the day 1 CAT even an average student could possibly attempt around 15-18 questions in Quant. Considering the Quant overall cutoff i think it will not be fair to me...
I faced an unusual problem in CAT.
They had plastic chairs and monitors and table on an higher altitude. This made it difficult for me in my centre to handle CAT especially the section that required more of workings since i had frequent cramps. They could have provided a better Chairs in our Centre.. Bangalore Vivekanada Centre

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